Army of Mom

So this is how liberty dies ... with thunderous applause.

9.03.2009

Pissing Off People Around The Globe

I think the title of this post should be my mantra for the day.

On Facebook, people were posting:
"So&So believes no one should die because they cannot afford health care, and no one should go broke because they get sick. If you agree, please post this as your status for the rest of the day. Demand universal health care."

I had to practically hold myself back from reaching through the Internet and throttling these normally very smart people. I also had to bite my tongue from commencing the flaming that would inevitably ensue if I started bantering with them. There are some people you just can't argue with. So, I would rather not start.

So, I made this my status post for the day:
"I'm not a bleeding heart. No one should die because they cannot afford healthcare (and they typically don't in our great country which will provide that care for free) and no one should go broke because they get sick (and most won't). If you agree that the government should keep their hands out of our pockets and allow free choice for healthcare, please post this as your status for the rest of the day.

Of course, being a journalist, about 75 percent of my friends are liberals. So, I got called out. I knew it would happen. And, I loved how my friend blamed it on Bush. Hello, he hasn't been in office for eight months now. But, he's been a great scapegoat for the past eight years, so lets go with with works for us.

But, the thing is, I think I know better than they do. And, before anyone starts ranting and raving at me about how I must be healthy and not understand. No, you'd be wrong. My husband teases me because I have a surgical procedure at least once a year. I'm not in great shape. I also have a special needs child with a chronic health condition demanding expensive tests and care. When my husband was unemployed last year, we paid about $700 a month for Cobra to protect our insurance portability. And, ask me how much I whined about that? Very very little. Healthcare in the U.S. may be imperfect, but I think it is a pretty good system.

Listening to my father-in-law, who worked in Canada a year or two ago, only reinforced my beliefs that government-provided healthcare is a crock. FIL needed a chest x-ray before taking his next job. Because he is in relative good health, he was going to have to wait 3-6 months to get an x-ray in Canada. However, he could fly home to Florida or to his parents' place in Minnesota and have it done that day if he wanted. There are horror stories all over the place about people dying in the UK because the government wouldn't approve their treatment plans for one reason or another.

So, rather than drone on and on, I thought I'd reprint an op-ed piece I wrote for a newsletter about six weeks ago. Yes, someone paid me to write this.

On the surface, comprehensive health reform sounds like a fabulous idea. Why wouldn’t Americans want everyone to have guaranteed health care coverage? However, insurance for everyone comes with a price tag that isn’t only about the approximately $1 trillion (yes, with a TR) that it will cost to implement over the next 10 years.
All of the bills under active consideration contain requirements that people obtain health insurance coverage, which is also known as an individual mandate. According to the Senate Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) Committee’s health reform bill, by 2013, all individuals would be required to have health insurance coverage and those not complying will be assessed a tax up to the cost of the minimum benefit plan.
In addition to the individual mandate, other proposals include requirements for employers of more than 25 people to provide employees with qualified health insurance coverage.
Employers that already provide health benefits to their employees may not think that these potential new requirements would impact them, or may even level the playing field between their company and those that do not currently offer coverage.
However, at least one bill being considered both requires employers with more than 25 employees to provide coverage and also requires employers to pay 72.5 percent of each employee’s premiums for “acceptable” coverage and 65 percent of the cost of those employees’ family coverage premiums. What exactly is deemed “acceptable” is up for discussion, too.
Additionally, the bill mandates coverage for part-time employees and requires employers to pay for a portion of the costs on a pro-rata basis. Many employers now can’t afford such contributions to their employees’ health plan costs. Employers that fail to comply would incur a penalty of eight percent of the company’s payroll, along with the potential for additional payments and penalties down the road.
“Employers currently provide health insurance benefits voluntarily to more than 160 million Americans … this bill includes a sweeping new mandate, which would force employers to provide health insurance or pay a new civil fine,” according to a letter penned by U.S. Chamber of Commerce officials to Congress.
The civil fine mentioned is $750 annually for each full-time employee and $375 for part-time employees, according to a July 7 Wall Street Journal article. At least one health insurance company called that fine a “pay or play” penalty for employers who decline to offer health insurance to their workers.
In President Obama’s address to the American Medical Association on June 15, he said “we need to create incentives for physicians to team up … we need to give doctors bonuses for good health outcomes – so that we are not promoting just more treatment, but better care. One thing we need to do is figure out what works, and encourage rapid implementation of what works into your practices. That's why we are making a major investment in research to identify the best treatments for a variety of ailments and conditions. Let me be clear: identifying what works is not about dictating what kind of care should be provided. It's about providing patients and doctors with the information they need to make the best medical decisions. Replicating best practices. Incentivizing excellence. Closing cost disparities.”
Sounds a lot like managed care, which private insurance companies already have in practice. But, the Wall Street Journal went one step further calling it “rationed care.”
“In remarks to the American Medical Association last month, President Obama waxed enthusiastic about countries that 'spend less' than the US on healthcare. The Journal explored the United Kingdom's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence, or NICE, which has become in practice....a rationing board. As health costs have exploded in Britain as in most developed countries, NICE has become the heavy that reduces spending by limiting the treatments that 61 million citizens are allowed to receive through the" National Health Service. Obama and Democrats claim they can expand subsidies for tens of millions of Americans, while saving money and improving the quality of care. It can't possibly be done. The inevitable result of their plan will be some version of a NICE board that will tell millions of Americans that they are too young, or too old, or too sick to be worth paying to care for,” according to a July 7 editorial in The Wall Street Journal.
The HELP Committee’s bill also proposes the establishment of a National Health Insurance Exchange by 2013 to replace the current individual health insurance market. States would be allowed to apply to the federal government to establish state or regional exchanges and establish health plan standards, facilitate the provision of comparative information, enrollment, billing, and other administrative functions, administer coverage subsidies, and respond to consumer grievances. Also, by 2013, the Department of Health and Human Services would develop and offer a public plan through the exchange to compete with private insurers. The public plan would comply with the same requirements as private health plans participating in the exchange, but provider payments from the public plan would be similar to Medicare rates and providers participating in Medicare would be required to participate in the public plan for five years. The federal government would provide start up funding for the public plan, but it must become self-sustaining after initial start up.
However, a government-run public plan would not be subject to the same rules for financial solvency and would not be required to pay taxes as private health insurance companies are required to do. Because these plans would operate with advantages not available to private plans, the unlevel playing field could eventually force everyone to be covered under the government plan, which could lead to everyone covered by a government plan resulting in waiting lines and rationing such as in Canada and Great Britain , according to the National Association of Health Underwriters.

So, what I'm asking is this ... read up on the Universal Healthcare Reform information, don't just jump on the bandwagon because you want free healthcare. Like I tell a lot of people, be careful what you ask for. Do you really want Big Brother telling you what is the best treatment for your child's leukemia or even your child's ear infection? Not me. I prefer to consult with my physician on that one.

14 Comments:

  • At 8:11 PM, September 03, 2009, Blogger Fantastagirl said…

    Thank you for thinking... and for writing.

    And I saw the same facebook comment, and didn't go there, I posted nothing, because I'm learning to chose my battles and this is one, I don't have the energy to tackle. but I am not for a govt run healthcare system. I can't name one thing they are in charge of that they can get done correctly.

     
  • At 10:53 PM, September 03, 2009, Blogger Mo K said…

    Couldn't agree with you, more, AoM.
    I applaud you for speaking out. There are so many LIES out there. We can't rely on the mainstream media to get the truth out like they used to MANY years ago. And that's infuriating. It's bloggers, talk radio, and few TV networks like FOX News who have the guts to put it out there.

     
  • At 11:36 PM, September 03, 2009, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I have been reading for a while, courtesy of Uzz. I think i stayed with you because the writing is so good and you have contributed to a whole folder on my ipod! :)

    I am one of those crazy liberals and i must admit that i don't know enough about the issue to debate. I do appreciate your views and really liked the intelligent points that you brought up. It was good to hear opposing points without all the blown up "killing grandma" points. It really makes you think...and feel compelled to do more research. Keep up the good work and keep blogging.
    Deb

     
  • At 8:03 AM, September 04, 2009, Blogger Timestep said…

    I'm not sure what the right answer is, but I don't think 'status quo' is it.

    I live in a horribly depressed area. If you aren't working at the university or the hospital, there are almost no jobs in town that give you health insurance. People are constantly weighing the decision of going to the doctor or eating. And these are the people with jobs. A very high percentage of the children are on the state medical plan and the adults are counting the years until they can be on medicare so they can afford medical treatment.

    In spite of some of the horror stories you hear from other countries, there are a high percentage good outcomes and they tend to have low infant mortality rates over the U.S.

    As humans, we are hesitant for change. We are fearful. I'm sure if I picked up articles from 1965 I'd read a lot of resistance to medicare but I don't hear anyone announcing that they are willing to give it up.

    I think we have a responsibility to care for those countrymen who aren't as lucky as those of us who have employer provided health insurance. As much as I complain that our employer really screwed us over when they chose to change health insurance plans (and i've had the chose of self-pay for a less invasive treatment that wasn't covered vs a more invasive treatment that was covered more than once) I'm grateful that I only have to fear bankruptcy a little rather than a lot if someone in my family is seriously injured.

    So, how do we get around this for the 25 Mil people who have no chance of health insurance and the 25 Mil who can't afford their employer provided (I'm not sure if the first is the right number, I've heard the second number).

     
  • At 11:46 AM, September 04, 2009, Anonymous Bruce said…

    I love these people that quote things about the Canadian System. 3-6 months for any x-ray? You must be kidding. This is either some extreme example or just completely wrong. I play a lot of sports and have have a few injuries over the years. I walk in to the hospital and am out it 1-2 hours with a x-ray and diagnosis.

    Private / Public, who cares. The problem is that is costs 3 times as much per person as it does in many other developed countries. Did you watch how the drug companies lowered prices when this was being talked about. Why can people buy the same drug for 1/2 the price in Canada. The other problem is that people get punted when they have a seriouse problem and can not longer get insurance. Check the rates. You have some of the best care, but you are getting ripped off.

    We have problems with escalating costs here in Canada too. More private care may be good. But please, don't think you are currently getting value for your dollar.

     
  • At 4:01 PM, September 04, 2009, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    Borrowed from a friend:
    Nationalized health care wouldn't change the fact that somebody else is paying for your health care, so somebody else is making decisions about whether you deserve it or not.

    I like that. I also have two words: personal responsibility.

    And, also Bruce, my FIL is a highly responsible person and I do not doubt the integrity of what he told me.

     
  • At 6:30 PM, September 04, 2009, Anonymous Bruce said…

    Personal responsability is great, but how about the kids of the less fortunate? This is a typical left vs right argument and I fall somewhere in the middle.

    I didn't call your father-in-law a liar, but likely an exception or it wasn't just an x-ray he was waiting for - not the rule. Why don't you post that I haven't had a problem. That's because you wish to make a point that is not based on broad data.

    I didn't state that National care was the solution, only that both of our systems are challenged by the high costs. My point was that there are systems that are much cheaper for the same service and they are a mix of public and private. I didn't say it was the Canadian system. In fact, it's European.

    You're on the low-end for value you for your dollar. Fact, not opinion.

     
  • At 10:35 PM, September 04, 2009, Blogger Army of Dad said…

    Bruce you construct your argument the same way Army of Mom did and yet you fault her for it. You claim that we are on the low end of value for our dollar, claim that to be a fact and yet have no proof. My dad actually experienced it and his Canadian coworkers joked about just not getting sick after August since the funds will have ran out. Your experience could just as easily be the exception to the rule as my father's. People are dying in Great Britain (a european/socialist healthcare system) because they can't get treatment in a timely manner or not at all if the treatment is too expensive. You can keep that style of healthcare.

    The reason some drugs are less expensive elsewhere are government price controls. I would prefer that American drug innovations not be sold in countries that force them to be sold below cost. In this case cost is everything that went into the drug, not just the cost of pressing out an shipping the tablets. American spending on prescription drugs fuels the research on the next generations of drugs. In this case Canada and the like get to play for cheap while Americans get stuck paying more (unless you don't want new drugs).

    I take you aren't American so I won't fault you for not knowing our Constitution. Nowhere in the supreme law of our land does it say that healthcare is a right, for anyone rich or poor.

    Timestamp-I would love to give up medicare and would do so in a heartbeat. That is an unconstitutional program run by the federal government. That should have been left for the states.

     
  • At 2:11 PM, September 05, 2009, Anonymous Bruce said…

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  • At 7:39 PM, September 05, 2009, Blogger Timestep said…

    Army of Dad, I'm not certain that it is unconstitutional because of Article 1 Section 8:

    "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;"

    The Supreme Court has upheld that Hamilton's interpretation of the General Welfare clause applies in various situations.

    So, I'm not sure how it is unconstitutional, but I'll keep looking to see if the Supreme Court is wrong. I do know that this was the article that was applied to Medicare.

    Not sure about other government run health care such as those under Veteran's Affairs.

     
  • At 8:34 PM, September 11, 2009, Blogger Army of Dad said…

    The Supreme Court holds several other things to be constitutional and they are wrong on them as well. Our founding fathers would have had them swinging from the gallows for decisions on abortion and the limiting of political speech (McCain-Feingold) to name but two.

     
  • At 12:29 AM, September 12, 2009, Anonymous Bruce said…

    Why did you delete my post that showed the costs of Health Care Vs GDP? Wikipedia is a great source of information. If you disagree with it that's fine, but you asked for data and I provide it. Please then, don't delete it. At least without a good reason. Even your president confirmed the numbers (about 1.5 times the next most expensive country). Secondly, I never said Canadian Healthcare was great and that a mix of private and public health care may be best. Lastly, the system doesn't "run-out" of money. That would be like saying your police forces suddenly stop in October because there were too many crimes this year. We do have issues with elective (non-emergency) care do to costs and these can take longer to get done. My point was they ALL need work in keeping costs down.

     
  • At 1:11 AM, September 12, 2009, Anonymous Bruce said…

    Here is another interesting article. Life expectancy Vs Country. The health care systems can't be too bad in many of these countries.

    http://ucatlas.ucsc.edu/spend.php

     
  • At 7:11 AM, September 12, 2009, Blogger Army of Mom said…

    First off, I can delete anything I want to. This is my little piece of the Internet. I CHOOSE to allow comments on here. I don't have to.

    Secondly, he is not MY president. I did not vote for him and I do not support him. I respect the office of the president of the United States. But, I have no respect for this man. If his mouth is moving, he's lying.

    Third, I do not believe Wikipedia is a website that is credible enough to be using as background information. It is prepared and written by laypeople and you don't know if some snot-nosed 10-year-old is the one contributing information. I will find my information from more credible sites.

    And, just like I don't expect to change your mind on this issue, you can throw everything you want at me and it will not change my mind either.

    Feel free to believe as you wish and I will believe as I wish.

    End of discussion. I'm debating killing all the comments, but for now, I'm just closing them. If my honey wants to respond, I'll open it up for him. Otherwise, this thread is closed.

     

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